pastorfreak
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UK and Australia
Looks like I might be flying to the UK and Australia next year for Conventions and to start CTA branches in each country so they can do their own thing and not have to go through me to do it. Even though they would still be part of us it would cost a small fortune to have to send things back and forth by snail mail. So this way it will be much more cost effective for us. I would stay with brothers from God's Squad motorcycle ministry and probably eat with them so it would be a fairly inexpensive way to do it. We are reaching the world with the Gospel I would also like to set up preaching engagements while I am at each place. Pray the Lords will be done and that the funds be there for each endevour. I have never flown before but if that is what the Lord wants from me I will be there. Many other things are also taking place I will keep everyone posted.
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Nov/13/2003, 3:33 pm
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pastorfreak
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Re: UK and Australia
No one has anything to say about this new adventure for CTA I am very excited about CTA going worldwide with not jsut memebers being over seas but actual things taking place to show others who Jesus is and what He did for us. And using tattooing to get it done. Neil is in Australia and is a great Brother and is willing to put his time in to further the Gospel and the same thing for Haoie in the UK. Come on folks this is a great thing and I dont see anyone geting excited about it. Am I missing something???
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Nov/18/2003, 2:06 pm
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Re: UK and Australia
Pastor Freak,
Hope you do not take this the wronge way but I have a few concerns.
Why can't this be taken care of over the internet I do not see a need to spend money to fly you to these countries to do this.
Who makes the choice of whether or not CTA spends the money to make this trip? Is it you choice or is there a board of trustee's that decide on this.
Like I said to not take this the wronge way but I just do not see any reason to actually travel over sea's. The CTA does not go to each state that someone wants to become a member. I am exicted that there are people around the world that want to join the CTA.
Donnie
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Nov/19/2003, 12:55 pm
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Re: UK and Australia
Hi copeboy:
I don't quite follow your reasoning.
Currently George W. Bush is in London. He could easily have got in touch with people over the 'phone and internet, and there is no strict need for him to be in London. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be there.
If Mr. Freak wants to travel, why object?
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Nov/19/2003, 1:05 pm
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pastorfreak
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Re: UK and Australia
This isnt about a person becoming a member it is about a whole Country wanting to start the CTA in their country. I do have a board that is in place to help with these descisions. It is also to go and attend some of the conventions there and have services for people their and present the Gospel. We are a world wide organization and sometimes that means going over seas. This is also a trip to do some ministry in other areas not just CTA things. But killing two or three birds with one stone so to speak.
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Nov/19/2003, 1:06 pm
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MR. Freak that has a ring to it doesnt it, lol. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
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Nov/19/2003, 1:08 pm
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Currently George W. Bush is in London. He could easily have got in touch with people over the 'phone and internet, and there is no strict need for him to be in London. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be there.
Ok first Bush runs the country and I am sure he has his reasons to be there. Not to mention the budget he has for world travel is more then most of us will make in a life time.
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If Mr. Freak wants to travel, why object?
I do not object to his traveling I am just not sure that the CTA should pay for it. If he wants to do this on his own tab I have no objections what so ever. Or even if he wants to have a love offering for this travel that would be fine. I believe that we need to focus on the US and make more of a presence here before we shell out money to travel overseas.
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This is also a trip to do some ministry in other areas not just CTA things. But killing two or three birds with one stone so to speak.
So if this is for other ministries then the CTA why should the CTA have to pay? I imagine that you are probably trying to get the other ministries help also so good luck on that.
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I do have a board that is in place to help with these descisions.
Who are they and how did they get into this position? Did you appoint them or was there a vote that I missed?
Again I hope that you do not see me as a nay sayer I just think that monies can be spent in other ways. I have attended over six conventions this year and I have not seen anybody from the CTA at any of these conventions. I would like to see this before we start spending money to travel over seas. Do not get me wronge I would love to see the CTA in other countries and I would love to see you travel to other countries to help out and give services and seminars but I think the main focas should be to get these things happening in the US so we can set an example to the other countries and maybe get more out there.
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Nov/19/2003, 2:26 pm
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So Donnie, in other words it is up to me to travel to all the conventions? Isnt that what CTA is supposed to be for everyone doing there part I dont remember getting any requests from you to have any CTA literature available, so why is it up to me do go to all the conventions? CTA was given to our Church as part of our ministry so I appointed the people to the board, there was no vote, I am the President I need people who I know who can help me make descisions. If I waited to get to know everyone from CTA to have the board from CTA we wouldnt have a board for the next 2 or 3 years. I took over CTA about 4 months ago or less so I havent had time to go to any conventions as of yet.
I do see this as a nay saying and I dont appreciate the postings as if I havent prayed about any of this and am just doing this on a whim of some sort. I dont do ministry that way this has been something that has been in the works for some time now, and as stated before it is for more than one thing it has several things that will build the Kingdom of God and that is what CTA stands for. You dont know what I have talked about with these other people from other countries so you cant make a judgement. I had talked this over with Rand over a year ago to do traveling for CTA and he as one of the founders was actually willing to pay for the travel out of his own pocket. So as a founder he saw the advantage for me to travel for CTA. I am sorry if you cant see that. THere is no reason for me to travel to all the conventions in the first place this is not a paid position it is volunteer I dont get paid for what I do for CTA and the 20 to 25 hours per week that goes into what I do for CTA. Besides paying for mailing our membership cards etc from my own pocket. Which there are several per week. I could go on and on over this but I wont. I also see what Spider lady does for us for free this site doesnt take care of itself and she donates her time as well to take care of it for the Kingdom. I am planning on going to conventions this year in the states as well as traveling for CTA to spread the Gospel to the world which is where Jesus told us to go to. I am nto trying to cause problems with anyone but it isnt the place to complain about an issue until they know the facts behind it.
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Nov/19/2003, 4:22 pm
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Re: UK and Australia
Freak,
I never said anything about it being up to you to travel to all of the conventions. I just said that at all of the conventions that I have been to since I have become a member of the CTA I have never seen anyone represent the CTA. You are correct I have never requested any literature from the CTA however I have spread the word of the CTA to many people and directed them toward this site. I do not tattoo so I do not have a booth at coventions to leave literature out for people.
I know that you are the President of the CTA, and I have never accused you of not praying about any of this.
I also think that as the President you should be willing to accept it when people do not agree with you. Sorry if you do not appreciate my posting but I am just speaking my concerns and if you can not accept that then maybe this is not the ministry for me. I have been involved in other ministries and also a trustee at church and one thing that I know for sure is that people do not always agree on everything that is why the church is not run by the pastor but by the trustees and chairman.
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I am nto trying to cause problems with anyone but it isnt the place to complain about an issue until they know the facts behind it.
I was never complaining just stating my opion. Sorry if it hit a sore spot.
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Nov/19/2003, 5:43 pm
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Re: UK and Australia
Biblically the churches vision goes to the Pastor then he gives it to the rest of the Elders and then they giv eit to the Deacons etc. etc. The Churches lead person is the Pastor according to the Bible.
The rest of this I will deal with privately.
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