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That's pretty funny bananaman. We Christians have a special ability to alienate our own based upon our own subjective reasoning. I believe that what Christ is interested in is us preaching his death, burial, and resurrection - taking upon Himself the sins of the world.

I've heard messages about woman wearing lipstick and earrings, or men wearing shorts or short sleeve shirts (where tank tops were from the pit of hell), rap and rock music, etc...

Of course, those are all man-made issues... I prefer to go with the verse directly after one of the most popular verses...

John 3:17
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Actually Magilla, the law didn't die with Jesus on the cross - YOU died when you gave your life to Christ.

The law is very much alive and is actually good (Rom. 7:12). But, scripture says that the law is for unbelievers;

In 1 Tim. 1:9 Paul says that the law is not made for Christians but for unbelievers. We, therefore, have absolutely no relationship with it. See also Rom. 3:28; 6:14, 8:3-4; Gal. 2:21; 3:13, 31; 5:18.

In Romans 7:1-5 Paul states boldly that Christians are DEAD to the LAW. Yum yum.

Romans 7:4 So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.

Galatians 2:19 Paul said; "For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God." In other words, The LAW didn’t die when you & I got saved – YOU & I DIED. We died with Jesus Christ on the cross. 2 Cor. 5:17, Col. 3:3

We have NO relationship with the law anymore than you have any relationship with a dead person (if you have, I know some really nice people in white coats that would like to chat to you about this lol).

It's about an intimate relationship (with Jesus) over strict rules (scriptural and even self righteous man-made do's & don'ts). The law of love over the love of the law blah blah.

Anyway - gotta go and read my Bible for 2 hours a day, pray for 3 hours a day, fast, tithe, witness for 2 hours a day, feed the hungry for 2 hours, love the elderly folk in our community for 2 hours a day, help with the young peoples group for 4 hours a week, attend leaders meetings for 3 hours a week, attend church and midweek church groups for 8 hours a week, and make sure that I dont eat the wrong foods, drink alcohol, let my kids have fun on Sundays, smoke, watch movies, wear shorts in public, keep my hair cut short, make sure that I don't end up going to hell by being inked, not smile (I'd be too tired to do that anyway!)join the worship team, men's group, evangelistic team and somehow fit my wife and 4 kids into the equation with some quality time. Sure is fun being a Christian - what would I do without the law??

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if i may, i want to give why i see tattoos as something one must seek out for themselves.

the verse in leviticus gets a lot of flack from both sides. it is part of the old law. you break one law you break it all. read the levitical as a whole, not as one verse by verse and dont' make up some theology based upon one verse. how can someone be ok by the law, if they dont' get tattoos, but yet clean shaved, wear different material together. they were worshiping demons with the art of tattooing. of course it had to be said to not do it at that time.

now i will be bold if i am allowed.

if you want to follow the old levitical law, then don't trim your beard, don't wear different material in your clothing, don't get tattoos and start stoning your homosexual friends/neighbor, start stoning those who committ adultery, bestality, incest. the list goes on.

there was a time that this law had to implemented. i cannot understand the reasons why though, but that is not the point of the issue. our modern/western mentality keeps us from truly understanding why things were the way they were back then.

people complain about the pagan issue. well i ask, show me one thing that hasn't been influenced by the pagans. i like how the celtic people were known to take things pagans had, and turning them back into their sole purpose, to praise the Almighty. everything was created to worship God.

so if it means anything, these are my views with this issue. God Bless you all! <><

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I've been reading these posts and I am grieved to see that the general consensus is that the old Law no long matters. The truth is, the Old Covenant was replaced by the New Covenant. This does not mean that the old Law is no longer sinful, it just means that it is no longer condemning so long as you have faith in Christ as your Savior. We should not dismiss the old Levite Law as irrelevant, but rather as commands given and not abandoned by our Lord. Now, this does not mean that we should not cut ourselves, it means that we should not cut ourselves for pagan gods. That is to say, I don't disagree with your analysis of that particular verse, but I disagree that the Law no longer applies. I noticed bananaman listed off a bunch of verses that explain our freedom from the condemnation of the Law, but never mentioned Romans 3:31, which stats that through our faith in Christ we are to uphold the Law.

Finally, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus. Gal6:17
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Galatians 3:1-25 (New International Version)

    1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

    6Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 7Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

    10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

    15Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

    19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

    21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

    23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Amen!



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quote:

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I've been reading these posts and I am grieved to see that the general consensus is that the old Law no long matters. The truth is, the Old Covenant was replaced by the New Covenant. This does not mean that the old Law is no longer sinful, it just means that it is no longer condemning so long as you have faith in Christ as your Savior. We should not dismiss the old Levite Law as irrelevant, but rather as commands given and not abandoned by our Lord. Now, this does not mean that we should not cut ourselves, it means that we should not cut ourselves for pagan gods. That is to say, I don't disagree with your analysis of that particular verse, but I disagree that the Law no longer applies. I noticed bananaman listed off a bunch of verses that explain our freedom from the condemnation of the Law, but never mentioned Romans 3:31, which stats that through our faith in Christ we are to uphold the Law.

Finally, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus. Gal6:17



let's look at Paul in this matter. he was a jew. he had to talk about this issue, and to be a jew, he could not just go and say the old law doesn't matter. but it is pointless to try to convince a Gentile that about the Old Law, because that law conflicts with our modern day view of justice. even the Old Law conflicts with our modern day theology. Paul was also talking to Jews who knew the Old Law, and i believe, trying to address thee conflictions that gave for those Jews that was believeing in Jesus, but yet they had their questions and issues from that.

and who was Jesus talking to when He said what He had to say? He was talking to Jews. i'm not trying belittle the words of Jesus, but facts are facts, and it shows some light of why He said that.

in my opinion, if one wants to believe that we should still follow the old law, then go back to the levitical law, form your life around it. support a structure of government change. one might have to convert judaism, and still hold to their beliefs that jesus is the messiah. or for the christian unwilling to convert to judaism, become a reconstructionist. definition of a reconstructionist christian? here is a link http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

it is one thing to see the validity of the Old Law as being a part in mankind's search for God. but for one to think it is good and useful, but yet not uphold to all of the Old Law, seems a bit pointless to me.



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Humbly I confess, I can't really argue with that.

P.S. Lets try to refrain from referencing religioustolerance.com as much as possible.

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i like using religioustolerance.com for things to define like this because the definition is not biased. it is simply giving a definition with no biased opinion for it or against it. emoticon

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Hey All,

I see a lot of good discussion in this topic and everyone has made some great points. I definitely agree with all the examples and scripture that has been put out here.

To add my two cents and feelings on the matter (please note this is my opinion, nothing more) I feel that tattoos are a matter of conscience. What I mean is that if you are that conflicted about it - I wouldn't advise you to get one and at the same time I wouldn't condemn those that do.

I prayed a lot before I got mine and my spirit was at peace about it, for others that may not be the case.

I can guarantee however that when I die and go to heaven the Lord God is not going to look at me and condemn me for getting the name of Jesus tattooed on me. The other part of it is that when I die this body will be made new and I realize the tattoo isn't going with me. However, while I abide on this earth it is one of many ways in which I choose to profess Christ.

Bottom line is I love you whether you have them, don't have them, or even are strongly against them. Jesus told us all the commandments could be summed up in these "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart" and "Love thy brother".

Your Brother In Christ,

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I have been trying to figure out how to best put that for some time. you said it perfectly thank you.

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