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and here's something else i've been wandering.

we say that Jesus's death set us free from the condemnation of the law. ok the old law has very specific rules. do not tattoo, do not eat shrimp, do not mix linen together, stone disobediant children, stone adulterers, stone homosexuals, stone people who practice beastiality, the list goes on and on.

so did Christ set us free to eat at Long Silvers, to get a tattoo, to love homosexuals, adulterers, disobediant children, to where cashmere mixed with cotton? God forbid it. (even tho, i will say, i see it applicable that real love could be shown through Christ's death to homosexuals, disobediant children, adulters, and all that, but i just think it had more impact on humanity than just to give us some freedoms.)



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You should read Galatians 5:1-15
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i know that Christ's death set us free from the consequence of the Old Law. and i agree with that whole heartedly.

but so many Christians, seem want to be along the Old Law. not in the sense of being like the Pharisees, but they want to hold to certain laws of the Old Law. then go back to what Jesus told the Jews in Matthew 23: ""1: Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2: Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not""

but i have always found this conversation to be intriguing in a way. cause we start to see conflictions between, Paul, Jesus, James and maybe among others. i'll continue this on later. God Bless! <><



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The passage speaks to more than just the concequences of our sin under the law, and how Christ has set us free. This also speaks to how we should live our lives.

The first part does indeed question why/how anyone would want to continue to live under the school master when Christ paid the ultimate price to set us free...once and for all.

The second part, however, deals with not using the liberty Christ has given us to participate in sin; and also instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves.

So this is much more than just being free from the penalty of the law; it also lets us know that he has set us free to serve him, and to be a reflection of his love to a dying world.
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I just wanted to add my 2 cents on why i don't think that tattoos are sins. This is an exerpt of a paper i wrote entited "Conversion and Conformity".

The stereotype of Christians would never allow tattoos or piercings. Many Christians would say that those things are sinful. The argument is often that these things damaging to the body and the Bible says to treat your body like a temple therefore it is a sin. Leviticus 19:28 says “Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord". But just as all verses in the Bible it is important to know their context. In this particular verse, it is important to understand that the marks on their skin were not just tattoos but cutting also. The tattoos (and the cuttings) were sin because they were worshipping their false idol Baal. Tattoos that glorify the Lord are not sin. Did the ancient Roman and Greek temples not have statues outside of the temple to glorify their gods? Not only that, but in Leviticus 19:27 states: “Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.” So, any man that shaves his beard and says “tattoos are sin” is a hypocrite. It is often forgotten that Christ is the blood of the new covenant. In his own words, written in Luke 22:20, Jesus says “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” Hebrews 8:13 tells us specifically and assuredly what this means:“By calling this covenant "new", he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.”
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quote:

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The passage speaks to more than just the concequences of our sin under the law, and how Christ has set us free. This also speaks to how we should live our lives.

The first part does indeed question why/how anyone would want to continue to live under the school master when Christ paid the ultimate price to set us free...once and for all.

The second part, however, deals with not using the liberty Christ has given us to participate in sin; and also instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves.

So this is much more than just being free from the penalty of the law; it also lets us know that he has set us free to serve him, and to be a reflection of his love to a dying world.




your ending part strikes me. i would believe what you say, if it could be proven that there was no reflection of his love to a "dying world". there would have been no purpose for the Jewish People and their way of life if the ultimate goal was to have it fulfilled. and mind you, let's remember who Paul was talking to. He was talking to JEWS.


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your ending part strikes me. i would believe what you say, if it could be proven that there was no reflection of his love to a "dying world". there would have been no purpose for the Jewish People and their way of life if the ultimate goal was to have it fulfilled. and mind you, let's remember who Paul was talking to. He was talking to JEWS.



Though, I'll admit, it's difficult to understand the point you are trying to get across, I believe you may have missed mine as well. Let me cut to the quick....

It's not solely about freedom from sin alone, it's also about freedom to serve without the constraints of the old covenant.
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I just had a chat over the net with a friend and she was telling I shouldn't tats when I said I did a new one yesterday. I found out that Levictus verses and asked myself questions because I know there are many Christians having tats, like inthe music I'm into (hardcore), many people have tats. Anyway I'm glad I found this forum that gives me more infos.

I'm not a Christian for long and really don't know the sciptures that well to quote any verses and so on but I started a bible study group and they are saying the same from what I could read here, that a verse shouldn't be taken on its own and out of context because u can make it says whatever you want.

Funny, I read the posts listening to a Christian hxc band named Inked In Blood.

God Bless
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To add my 2 cents... since I'm new I figured I might as well... It is evident that in the tattoo industry, there is not alot of positives. It's an industry that alot of people (unversed, I like to call them) assume still belongs to the bikers, sailors and criminals. Now, although these people need to be loved too, they are still considered heathons by upper crust christians. My husband and I have been truly blessed to be involved with a church that, although on the whole their doctrine can be fairly rigid, has accepted us as we are... decorated children of christ.

Thanks for listening to me... just kind of wanted to jump in head first I guess!

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Hey well I'm new to the boards but not to the bible. I don't know if any of you knew this but I was studying some scipture and something caught my attention as I was reading in Leviticus where it says "Do not cut you body for the dead". Well, obviously that is every anti-tat person's scripture to throw in our face. Well I got something pretty cool for us to throw back at them. When God says in that scripture to not cut your body for the dead he was referring to the warriors and soldiers that when they fought and killed someone they would take their knives and make large cuts in their arms for every person they killed. It has nothing to do with tattoos. YAY!
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