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Everybody must getted stoned


Hey Jayme,
I'm going to address this post to you, cause you da man.

I've been a member here for some time and recently been very disapointed about the way this board is run.

Personally I could care less about this board. Every day I log on hoping to see the new site and check out some tats. What's it been now over a year that we've had to deal with these childish conversations and arguments. All I want to do is scroll through the pics they way it was, and be inspired by peoples ink and there discriptions.

This whole "Bible Infallible" discussion is ridiculas. This latest discussion is the one that has put me over the edge. Get serious this is the Internet, any Tom, Dick or Harry can get on here and say whatever they want. From your desk at home how are you supposed to monitor what's being said. If you ask me more people will be driven away from Christ than will be miniserterd too. Lets face it, some people just like to argue and stir things up, Christians or not, they just get off on it.

I know your position has got to be trying, among all the other things you've got going on and I hate to be a stick in the mud but I really don't see how this board is a benifit to anyone when it comes to growing in our faith.

Maybe there is a way for people like me, who get there Bible teaching and fellowship at church the old fashion way, to come on this site and not have to listen to these stumbling blocks? Seriously man, my heart aches when I read this stuff.

Even just an update on the new site once in awhile might help, giving me and those in my situation a ray of hope.

Thanks for your listening ear bro, I'll be praying for you and those involved.

Lowell

    
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If you "personally could care less about this board" then what is your issue? It sounds like you would like to see this be primarily a tattoo board? I think what sets this apart is that it's a discussion board as well as a tattoo board, but mostly that it's Christian, and the only one of its kind. Yes, every Tom, Dick and Harry can post on here; that's the point. Would you rather that only people who shared your views were on here? Would you prefer simply a tattoo site? There's plenty of those.

You think the infallibility of the Bible issue is ridiculous, but that's the good thing about having a discussion board; being able to ask questions, share opinions and ideas, etc. And that's just the beginning. I plan on asking a number of questions and discussing things that are pertinent to being a Christian in modern society today...hard questions, like homosexuality, tattoos, witnessing effectively, abortion, and divorce, just to name a few. This isn't to "stir things up" as you and others have accused me of; it's to initiate a discussion, which is what I thought was the purpose of any forum. Look through my posts. I've been called names and never returned the behavior. And you see this place as a stumbling block? If you disagree with a view on here, then use it as a vehicle for growth or witnessing, and explain WHY, so that people reading it can understand where YOU'RE coming from. I think it's sad that other views within the Christian community being discussed here, regardless how radical you may think they are, are seen by you and many others as something negative. This is the perfect place to talk about our differences. What about non-believers looking for answers, or wanting to discuss issues? Should they be shunned?

And as a matter of fact, I like good old fashioned church and bible study myself, amigo. Just because my view of the Bible differs from yours, doesn't mean I don't study it or believe God's word is contained within it.

As a side note, It's curious that you say your "heart aches," because just recently I was watching an internet video of a minister of a church not far from where I live say how his "heart aches at the thought of all the people Jay Bakker is leading into hell." This was because of Jay's views on homosexuality not being a sin, and how he claims that if the law passed in his state, he would marry gays. And if you don't know, Jay is the son of Jim and Tammy Faye, and pastor of Revolution Church in NYC. I think it's safe to say that he's called a blasphemer and accused of stirring things up quite often, since he's out there showing love and compassion, and talking about the issues nobody else wants to.

But I'll tell you what. I respect Jayme and what he's trying to do here. If he feels I'm undermining what he's started here, and wants me to not show up on here, I'll respect that and stay away.

Otherwise, there's a lot of things I'd like to discuss.

In Jesus Christ always,

Jack
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Hey Jack,
You know it dosen't really bother me that you have a differing veiw of the Bible than I do, that's between you and the LORD. What saddens me is that the so called "discussions" on this board, at times turn into people throwing stones at each other. I just don't think that this behavior is very pleasing to the LORD.

As far as a Tattoo site goes, yes that's all I'm looking for. A Christian tattoo site. This site met my needs a couple years ago when I could come on and see the new tats posted and hear the testomony of those that were inked. The library of tats on this site was, I'm guessing, in the thousands. What happened to that library? I have know idea. But for an older guy like me that is not into the chat rooms or message boards I would just rather come on and check out the tats and leave the great spiritual debates to the rest of you.
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I understand that these boards become mud-slinging festivals. But if you read back over the way you started your post and your attitude, calling it "ridiculous" etc. I feel that this is where the mudslinging starts.

I agree that it would be nice to have an extensive gallery page, where work could be critiqued, etc, or a technical page as well. I used to frequect the Read Street forum for this, but there was just waaaay too much crap going on there for me. Constant fighting, bickering, Christian-bashing, etc.

And my views are between God and I. This is a weird comment to me...sort of like, "I don't judge you...that's God's job"; I've always taken that to mean, "Hey, God is judging you" or "Your view is wrong, but hey, God'll deal with you." Or I could be defensive. You'll have to forgive me...I was raised by very ineffective Christians.



 
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I've been coming on this site for several years now. At first, I really liked coming here to look at the tats. Then I really used to enjoy reading and participating in the discussions, and praising the Lord when a Brother or a Sister shared their testimony. Now, it's becoming a drag. What I mean is, it seems that the discussions are nothing more than this person or that person trying to justify their own scriptual interpretation, which honestly seems to be veering more and more from the Word. While I strongly believe that the Holy Spirit speaks to each of us through the Word, the Bible SAYS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. If you are over-interpreting the Word, maybe you need to realize that you may be trying to justify a heart that has moved away from Christ....who after all is the Word incarnate. Hey folks, I throw stones at no one, I am a sinful creature by nature, and I KNOW IT. It is only by the blood of Jesus (again the Word-incarnate) that I am brought into forgiveness. Let's just cut the psycobabble and sociological crap and get back to the love, grace and mercy of Jesus Christ. After all, isn't He why we're here in the first place? Oh, and by the way, where is Jayme? Has he given up on the Association? I'm praying for you Brother, even if you don't answer e-mails.
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I agree with Marked!! emoticon

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I believe that interpreting the word differently than someone else doesn't mean giving up on Christ. My view, Brother, is simply different than yours. In fact, I think people who butcher scripture and take things out of context, or use scripture inappropriately, could also have hearts that has moved away from Christ. Why is it that my belief or my relationship with my Lord and Savior is always called into question over this issue? I believe that there is way too much misinterpretation and scripture worship where there should be worship to Jesus Christ. You claim that the Bible says exactly what it means. I disagree, but that's your view, and I respect it. I think it's dangerous though, when I see scripture taken out of context and used for bad in the world. And this isn't "psychobabble" or "sociological crap" ...it's called discussion, which is what I thought these boards were for. Trying to interpret scripture isn't "veering from the word"; it's trying to more effectively understand the word. Maybe you don't agree with the authors of some of the topics posted on here, but Christians rarely agree on everything. This topic is important, in my opinion. It seems as though you're saying you don't like it because people aren't sitting around talking about the things that are important to YOU. Well, practice some love and tolerance, brother. Explain your own view. Or, just stay out of it if you think it's pointless. Better yet, post some topics of your own...Lord knows this forum could use them.

And the underlying theme of everything I'm saying IS about the love, grace, and mercy of Jesus Christ...about how we've wandered far from it. I'm saying we've strayed....waaaay off the map away from those very things. We use scripture to condemn and belittle...to serve our own selfish purposes or to hate (scroll back to the posting where I'm, more or less, cleverly called "foolish" using scripture). And it saddens me. This is why I bring it up. I see so much hypocrisy and divisiveness within churches. I see people taking Leviticus wildly out of context and waving their fingers at homosexuals, tattooed people, etc. Saying that the Bible simply "says what it means" is a slippery slope. Do the passages regarding tattooing, homosexuality, or mixing of linens in Leviticus have anything to do with our society today? Were they meant for you and I, today? I believe not. But I hear them used constantly. And this issue is HUGELY important in my opinion, because it's where the wack-jobs waving "God Hates Fags" signs find their justification. Scripture needs to be interpreted and used in its proper context. You say it's perfect...perfectly written by God word for word. I disagree. Oh well. I agree that we should be talking about Jesus and His grace and Love...that's my point. Somewhere along the way, many Christians, in my opinion, have strayed very far from that. I look at the things that are done in His name using the Bible as a catalyst for hate...the thrice divorced pastors who tell homosexuals that they won't "feel welcomed in this church." I've been to prosperity churches and heard, and I quote, "Brothers and sisters, don't expect giant miracles if you're putting jingly change in the basket." I've seen parents disown children because they were gay, or in an interracial relationship...in all these cases they used scripture to back up their agenda. I see certain passages from the Bible thrown in people's faces completely out of context, while others go unnoticed as simply not relevant for today's society (depending on the view that's being defended). I think people need to search for NEW TRUTH. Over history, people have used scripture to defend slavery, segregation, keeping women from the church, etc. I believe they lost sight of Jesus Christ and what he taught, or what he would do.

So this isn't "psychobabble" in my opinion, and those sort of words, you'll notice, I've refrained from using here. I've been called foolish, a "troll looking to stir up trouble", a psychobabbler. Have I acted this way? Have I replied to anyone disrespectfully here who I disagree with? You claim not to throw stones, yet you accuse me of "justifying a heart that has moved away from Christ", and you call my topics "psychobabble" and "sociological crap." How would you like it if I claimed that your strict interpretation of the Bible was scripture worship, and justification for a "heart that's been turned from Christ?" How would you like it if I called your relationship with Jesus into question because your personal views differ from mine? See, I'd rather not stoop to that. It's interesting how mean-spirited people become when they disagree...and this is supposed to be a Christian forum!

I could argue that people who try not to interpret the word, and take it for what it is, or who feel that it "SAYS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS" are looking at something in a very black and white way, that isn't at all black and white.

So I submit this argument to yours: Oversimplifying scripture, or not interpreting it properly, in my view, can lead people away from Jesus and His teachings, it can turn hearts in much the same way you feel over-interpreting does.

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

At the end of the day, we're all saved by grace in Jesus Christ. We may disagree on a number of things...you may even think I'm a troll, foolish, a psycho-babbler, or a blasphemer. But I've given my life to Christ, with complete abandon. He's my Lord and Savior, and I ask for his guidance every day. As someone has said on here, one day we'll all be sitting around the big table with him, and he'll explain it all to us then.

As for Jayme, I don't know. I'd like to see him active on here as well. I'm curious what he thinks about the topics I've posted.

And again, if he asks me to kick rocks, I'll leave the forum for good. Until then, like I've said, I have a lot to discuss.
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Stirring the pot used to be MY job as moderator, before I got banned!

Discussion is healthy. How boring would it be if everybody always agreed on everything? Toughen up, people - being met with a strong argument is not the same as having a rock thrown at you, but it sure might sting if the argument is on-target.

Perhaps jak comes off a little aggressive because he's able to lay down mutiple paragraphs of coherent, scriptural discourse on topics that are obviously very important to him - but I don't get the impression that he's attacking anybody.
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Oh my stars...I've got a friend on here!!

I agree brother: discussion is healthy. Or, respectful discussion is healthy. Did you like the "maybe you need to realize that you may be trying to justify a heart that has moved away from Christ" line? What gives?

Maybe I'll just throw in the towel on this forum, just like I did the Read Street Tattoo forum....for every good thing I got out of it, there was an ocean of garbage going on there. I was actually looking forward to this too. I heard that many of the folks here supported Revolution Church...and a place for Christian tattooers of all things...I was thinking, my kind of Jesus freaks'll be on there......I was stoked!

Now....notsah much.

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